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Poster: nameismike1969 Date: Jul 20, 2009 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

I happen to proudly own a dvd of the dead in 1972 Tivoli Gardens. It runs I believe 78 minutes. The quality is a A.
I have no idea how long this has been on the net. Now my simple little questions are.
Was the entire concert video taped ( how long was this concert? )
There has to be a 16 multi track recording in the vault
Will who ever is in charge in the official Dead camp
release this because its absolutely amazing.
I finally saw own Woodstock dvd performance from the box set and I have to say that was great
I really and think all of us would like to see more 60's and 1970's video/film released.
Especially that Tivoli 1972 complete concert if it exists ( 3/4 hours )
I finally also now own sunshine daydream movie on dvd although I favor a redo on that just the Dead Oregon concert even it was just the Dark Star portion and the other song they did I forget what they played....16 mm / 16 multi track
and yes Fillmore footage what may exist and mmmm everything I suppose of pre 1973 and 1976 to 1985
more Dead dvd's pleeassee respond with info
so I can be excited with hope
Mike

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jul 20, 2009 5:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

Me too - when men were men (and sheep were scared), when the Dead were an all male band and when Pigpen's cowboy hat, with his hair pushed behind his ears, made his ears stick out, all weird like. Great show - opens with (dedicated to 'Los Muertos') "Me and Bobby Mcgee" and great versions of so many of the classics. Just love "Jack Straw", "China/Rider" and the Pigpen numbers - part sung from behind the organ and part he stands up and delivers from the front. And Keith (the answer is in the name = God) too, nice contributions and overall presence.

This is the era that I'm most interested in - not too fussed in the plethera of later video material - am looking forward to the "Bickershaw '72" combined CD/DVD set very much, hope it isn't just an Ugly Rumour. Yep, wouldn't it be great if some of those '70, '71, more '72 and '73 classics (Portland, Fillmore East [April '71] and Watkins Glen) had been captured this way too. And I guess others would call out for '68 & '69 too (good call) and others '77 (inc. Cornell - yawn).

We can dream but, quite often, better memories are best kept confined to the mind. The actual reality of seeing things as they were can be just a bit awkward (like the women dancing on stage during The Dead Movie).

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Poster: nameismike1969 Date: Jul 20, 2009 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

Thank you Tide for your response I agree and understand your view. I just took a look at the set list for the 4-17-72 video and noticed the last song was video taped... OMSN...I have a great feeling that all was video taped and the masters are sitting either in the Dead vault or a vault in Europe or in a collectors closet. one day I believe this entire Europe 72 show with pig pen and no Donna or Mickey ( two people that I think made the Dead's sound a little too much at times. I really prefer that line up at the Tivoli concert and the set list. The Dead I thought were super amazing when Mickey left for those years in the 70's because the music was more focused having just Bill and hearing him working w the band alone. Lesh even admits to that.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 20, 2009 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

I don't think there's been much information made public about it, but I'm sure the whole Tivoli show was filmed - what we have is a Danish TV broadcast from '72.
Perhaps the full show will come out on DVD someday, but it would depend on whether the songs that weren't used for the original film were preserved. Judging by TV stations' normal practice, I would guess all unused film was dumped.

The Dead also taped a short show for the German show Beat Club on 4.21.72 - only one song, Saturday Night, was broadcast & has been released, and it's possible nothing else was kept.

Part of the Family Dog 2.4.70 show (Hard to Handle & China>Rider) has been released as the "Night at the Family Dog" DVD (with Jefferson Airplane & Santana) - well worth seeing.
(I should also mention the related film Go Ride the Music, with performances from Jefferson Airplane & Quicksilver Messenger Service, if you like those bands.)

Bits of the Festival Express in summer '70 came out in that movie - Don't Ease Me In & New Speedway Boogie. (Much better are the DVD extras - Easy Wind & Hard to Handle.)

The "Last Days of the Fillmore" DVD has Casey Jones & Johnny B Goode from 7.2.71. (Note that the DVD is not the full original film, several other bands' performances were cut out.) Unfortunately, I've read that although the Dead's whole show was filmed, the 'outtakes' were all dumped, so it's unlikely any more will be seen of that show.

You already know about the Grateful Dead Movie DVD with lots of extra stuff from their 10/74 shows, I'm sure.

I'm amazed that the Dead allowed the Lovelight from Woodstock to be released. Maybe someday the Viola Lee from Monterey will appear on some super-expanded Monterey Festival box set? (I don't think any more of that show was filmed though - Pennebaker stopped after one song.)
The Viola Lee -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axAfNjgdey4

There was a Bickershaw Festival DVD released some time ago - unfortunately, from what I've heard it looks like a poor-quality 'homemade' compilation, with only one Dead song, Black-Throated Wind, set to random footage.
But there's a nice page about that show here:
http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/dead.html

There's also the Playboy After Dark show from '69, which is pretty easy to find and has Mountains of the Moon & St Stephen.

If you can find it, the Dead did a short TV special in August '70 called Calebration, with several songs - Easy Wind, Candyman, Casey Jones, Brokedown Palace, & Uncle John. It's in rather dodgy quality, but it's definitely worth seeing - it hasn't been released.

There are other little bits of early film floating around - (sadly, almost all of it either silent-film or brief clips) - for instance, there's a tiny little bit of a '67 Viola Lee in the film Petulia. Someone should make a complete list someday.... You can see some bits, for instance, in the Anthem to Beauty documentary, which is essential viewing.

Here's a Dancing in the Street from 1967, from the film "The Hippie Temptation" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97JXkUK6NsM
And a silent clip of some '68 Dead -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_rrw6uYHTA

Some shows, like 10.4.70 and 12.31.70, were broadcast live on TV I think, but no film was kept, and no film survives.

As for the Sunshine Daydream film, it's bewildering that it hasn't seen official release, but that's how it goes. Maybe when we're old & gray - or when our kids are.
By the way, at least one 'outtake' from the film survives, Bird Song. (!) Here are some comments from one of the filmers:
"We were all suitably scrambled. Film magazines didn’t come fast enough because the changers had melted or become distracted, cameramen went off into enchanted but unintelligible directions of wobble and warp. By the time Jack Straw rolled around the earthquakes had slowed down and the camerawork improved. Much of the warpedness was considered unacceptable at the time but today it lends a certain authenticity.
We didn’t, by any means, shoot every song. We shot what we thought would be good candidates for the thirty minute project.
That project was hijacked by the notion that what we had was far more than a few precious stones; we had an ornament. It’s taken over thirty years for the half-life of that notion to become true. In the intervening years the film spent most of its life in the pump house of the producer, Sam Field.
**A couple of years ago, at the behest of Dennis McNally who wanted to screen it in conjunction with the release of his book, we brought it up to date, digitizing and adding two new songs to the original cut: a wonderfully emotive Bird Song and a twilight Sing Me Back Home that, because of it’s fading images, can’t help but move you.**
Most of the rest of the film is as it was the day it was set aside including the animation sequences in Dark Star which, due to lack of band footage, were patched in pretty much willy-nilly from old work print provided by Dennis Pohl, a New York filmmaker. We had intended he would create original, syncopated work for the final film.
There are still a few more miles to go, fine tuning the edit, remixing the sound, before we get to the final technical hurdle, conforming 1972 technology to current DVD standards, but with patience and perseverance this may someday, be available to all."

And this is what David Lemieux said about a possible release a few years ago:
"It's not in our hands. The people who own the film, physically own the film, who produced the original one, who have restored it and are ready to do something with it...that's about all I know, that they still have it. It's in great shape and they have put some effort into doing a good HD transfer and restoring it and preserving it. We all agree that it would be a good thing to come out some day. We do have the multi-track audio, so if ever it came out I would like to think that it would come through us so it could be mixed through a proper 5.1 mix. As it is, they can't do that. The only multi-track copy that exists is ours. The fact that it's Grateful Dead music, they would have to collaborate with us anyway. Nobody could just release something. Regardless, I agree it should come out. There's a lot of songs missing from the film and that's a product of them not filming a lot of songs. What I think would be ideal would be for it to come out on DVD, 5.1 mix, and then a three CD complete show of all released from the multi-track mix. That would be very pleasing to others and us. That's another thing. We have so little of the early era. Stuff that does exist should be given proper treatment and not just slapped together and thrown out, but really do the full Grateful Dead Movie treatment with it. Give it a 5.1 with some documentaries. Interview some of the people who were involved. I don't think it would be worth doing otherwise."

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 20, 2009 11:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Volume 1 of the Deadheads Taping Compendium has an interesting interview with John Platt, a video archivist. In the interview he states that The Grateful Dead do indeed have the complete Tivoli concert footage, they filmed it and own the film. Danish TV however owns the rights to it. The only way it would see an official release is if they worked out some agreement.
The Beat Club footage is also owned by the band. Besides "One More Saturday Night", this footage of Beat It On Down The Line from Beat Club circulates too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBAuaJKMOTg

The Grateful Dead's show in England at the Hollywood Festival on 5/24/70 was going to be filmed. The band handed out acid to everybody, including the film crew, and the film became useless.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jul 21, 2009 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Not mentioned are the "house" films from The Capitol Theater that apparently has many shows the band played there. These are not pro-quality, but fill in a lot of gaps in the mid 70's.

Currently on You_Tube are portions of 4/27/77 and JGB 3/1/80. I have seen other dates in the past. I'm unsure regarding possession of these films, but there are many other artists represented.

http://tinyurl.com/lk68s6

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 20, 2009 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Are you sure no film/video survives of 10-04-70?

The show reviews here on LMA suggest it's in the KQED vault (but in need of a remaster).

You tube has or had a real good live '70 b&w live Dark Star...
Sorry I don't have the url on this back-up gizmo I'm still stuck with.

I've done a few posts on this subject - one of my pet interests, collecting '60s music video.

More Dead stuff does exist, mostly as you say, bits and pieces...

see my drop page at:
http://drop.io/creampuffwar/media


This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2009-07-21 03:20:17

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 20, 2009 9:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

I see you've posted about this before!
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=38653

I wouldn't take the word of an Archive reviewer that film of 10.4.70 is still "in the vault". As far as I know, it's never been seen (nor has 12.31.70), which is pretty suspicious - but I'll keep investigating.

I also don't know how much of 6.21.71 survives, but at least a couple clips are out there on the internet.

There was a video on youtube of the 2.14.70 Dark Star - couldn't find it today, though, so I suppose it went down. But here's a 6-minute copy (pretty poor quality) on myspace -
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&;VideoID=17694318 (take out the semicolon...)

This post was modified by light into ashes on 2009-07-21 04:25:41

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 22, 2009 2:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Right you are.

The review is the only place I've heard of that 10-04-70 existing.

I went to that show, came home early (school night) - left in the middle of the Airplane's set...
and watched the tail end of Quicksilver's set (kind of a topsy turvy band set order that gig! ) when I got home, with the radio on - quasi-quadrophonic!


Like an old photo with creases, what were they actually playing on that sunny day at the Be-In?

Don't know what they were actually playing here either. but looks like Garcia was having a good day!





This post was modified by cream-puff-war on 2009-07-22 09:43:12

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 21, 2009 12:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

CPW, are you sure it might not be 12/31/70 instead of 10/4/70? I believe that was filmed and shown on TV back then. I remember at least one time way back then in '70 or '71 of watching a Grateful Dead show on TV and I know it wasn't "Calibration".

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 21, 2009 1:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Check out the review by Evan S. Hunt at:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-10-04.sbd.cotsman.4942.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 21, 2009 3:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Evan S. Hunt - he's also the one who says he saw Hendrix play with the Dead on 10-12-68. And check out his review here:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-05-07.sbd.cotsman.6028.sbeok.shnf
I'd be careful about believing his stories!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 21, 2009 6:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

Me too...(ie Hunt, grain of salt, etc.).

Thanks once again for all the info, LiA!

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Jul 21, 2009 3:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: pre-'74 Dead films - a list

ah ha ha... I see what you mean.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Jul 21, 2009 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

Strange. I also have just recently obtained a copy of the tivoli garden 72 DVD and bought the new woodstock DVD set, actually got them both the same day.
The Tivoli Garden DVD is incredible, its such great quality. Im pretty sure thats the first He's Gone, and its my favorite version. To have such a nice video/audio of the band from Europe 1972 is like a dream come true.
As for the woodstock DVD, I could only watch a few minutes of the dead's performance of turn on your love light, i simply got bored. I found the previously unseen footage of CCR much more entertaining.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 20, 2009 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

I'm with you. Seeing vintage 60's - 70's video officially released is at the top of my want list on things I'd buy if they released it. That Tivoli is from a TV show so who knows if the rest still exists and if there are BS legalities that make it difficult. I don't about anyone else but I almost crapped myself when I found out about a year ago that video exists of that 6-21-71 France show. Wonder what else is out there. Do you have that Anthem to Beauty disc? Some of the coolest video out there. Speaking of - what about the REST of Winterland 74?

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Poster: cush212 Date: Jul 21, 2009 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

Got some vintage footage in my brain if you ever want to visit... Could be sceerier than it sounds though!!!

;)

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jul 22, 2009 12:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

http://www.tobasai.com/index.htm

There used to be some vintage videos here; but some new corporate assholes bought the server company and banned all of the music and video downloads, even though the host had paid for his contracted bandwith until 2013. I'm sick of that fucking RIAA Music Mafia and don't buy their shit any more.

They are known to shakedown locally oriented talk radio stations for bribes, even though those internet streams don't include any of their copyrighted crap music. It's called theft and I call the RIAA, ASCAP, and BMI nothing but an organized crime syndicate council for a good reason...

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jul 21, 2009 9:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ziufxQZQno hi cush how ya been!!! love to see that scary stuff lol!! peace wwd

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Jul 21, 2009 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Tivoli 1972 80 minute dvd

i love to watch jerry play. that's really the only reason i watch the videos. he makes it look so easy. the spotlight is always shining on jerry if you know what i mean. the guy just had so much charisma and natural talent.